Anything else you would like to add about yourself? Every one knew they were there and no one did anything about it. Invariably those sources dont have a clue as to whats going on or how its actually happening but they still go out of their way to promote false facts. One of the Bettys last combat assignments was to carry torpedo-shaped Yokosuka MXY7 Ohka single-seat kamikaze rocket planes to within striking distance of U.S. fleets. GIVEN THE LEVEL OF DETAIL WE GO TO IN ENSURING THE RESTORATION IS CORRECT FROM AN ENGINEERING POINT AND AUTHENTICITY POINT OF VIEW IT IS NOT SUPRISING THAT START UPS APPEAR SLOW. I was thinking of entitling it "What the F". for Alfred Hagen, CLARIFICATION With a relatively slow rate of fire and rifle-caliber (7.7mm) ammunition, the hand-held Type 92 wasnt about to frighten away .50-caliber Browning-equipped Grumman F4F Wildcats, to say nothing of F6F Hellcats and F4U Corsairs. I REALLY DONT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS. From the replica 1903 Kitty Hawk Flyer built by the Wright Brothers through aircraft of the Great War of 1914-1918, including an actual flying veteran of that war. PACIFIC WRECK DATABASE IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF THIS. WHEN I ACQUIRED [from Girua Airport, [P-47D 41-27608] IN 1998 THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT HAD ASKED THE LANDOWNERS TO REMOVE TO AIRCRAFT FROM THE AIRPORT DUE TO IT BEING IN THE WAY FOR A PROPOSED TERMINAL EXTENSION. Some sources claim that Japan bought the original Douglas DC-4 prototype, the unsuccessful triple-tail design called the DC-4E, to serve as a model for a four-engine G4M. Fifteen of the 17 unescorted Bettys were shot down. Subscribe to Dark Skies: https://bit.ly/dark5skiesFaster and with a longer range than aircraft at the time, Mitsubishi's G4M was a true beacon of Japanese po. In 2011 it was operated by Fighter Hangar 1, now known as the Texas Flying Legends Museum. A FORTHCOMING ARTICLE IN Classic Wings Magazine will be dealing with the P-40F recovery. With sale prices of restored warbirds so high, and even projects expensive, what is the 'value' of wrecked aircraft? The benefits of laminar flow were probably illusory on Bettys, since IJNAS aircraft of all types had paint jobs that ranged from beater-bad to junkyard special, peeling and flaking in a manner that would have tripped any incipient laminar airflow. We weathered the storm, created by people who suffered more from tall poppy syndrome and jealousy than pragmatism. Its G4M1 1280 was funded by another museum, which tried to sell it but found no buyers and was later donated to Plane of Fame. During World War 2, it was in service with the naval aviation. True, some wrecks were scraped. I DONATED A PILE OF [ P-47D "Frankie" 42-8130 ] AND P-40 STUFF [P-40K and P-40K] TO PIMA [ Air & Space Museum ] A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO BY WAY OF DONATION. Or, is it always cheaper to recover a 'real' wreck than to make new ones? One specially detailed Betty crew was even assigned to seize a Superfortress and fly it back to Japan. Mitsubishi tried again to reduce the bomber's tendency to burn. At the heart of the collection are . If you conduct an analysis of those that criticize, you discover that they are either the armchair critics of this world that do nothing but sit behind a computer and complain to the world or commercial salvage organizations that seek to plunder for profit. Bendix Aviation had bought several B-25s during that period including the B-25H model Barbie III. Speak about your Vanuatu recovery of P-40Fs. In 1994 restoration was started to create Betty's Dream. Destined to be the main Japanese land-based bomber for the entire war, it was, like other Japanese planes, state of the art at the beginning of World War II but grossly outmatched by American models later in the war. What do you say to those worldwide who would like to visit this wreck, and see it remain there the way the war left it? They ranged across the length and breadth of the Pacific Theater, attacking targets from the Aleutians to Australia. Mitsubishi also learned that the heavy cannons compromised the Bettys handling. He said National's Three Waters policy is a thin disguise for the dog whistle on co-governance. The final version of the Betty, the G4M4, had an entirely new laminar-flow wing with integrally self-sealing fuel tanks. In August 1942, during the Guadalcanal campaign and this time escorted by fighters, 18 out of 23 attacking Bettys were shot downthe single worst G4M loss during the entire campaign. What companies, groups, do you you work with? guns in the nose, atop the mid-fuselage behind the cockpit, and on both sides of the fuselage behind the wing. It was not recovered, rather restored in Arizona & flew itself to Australia and is registered as VH-EAG. The Betty was the product of excellent engineering pushed to the limit and then slightly beyond, to meet requirements created not by aviators but by military bureaucrats. The crash caused her to be thrown out of her vehicle, and as well as suffering from severe burns, Betty had a broken pelvis . Betty crews carried no parachutes, since bailing out wasnt an option. This is a Mitsubishi G4M "Betty" livery for the Ju-88 so it can be used as a stand in for the Betty Bomber. THE GREATEST SOURCE FOR LOCATING WRECKS ARE THE ACTUAL LANDOWNERS WHO WANT TO SELL THE WRECKS SO THEY CAN BUY THE BASICS OF LIFE THAT YOU AND I TAKE FOR GRANTED. Made by Mitsubishi, the same company that made the Zero . Greinert himself has promoted 'false facts' specifically, on WRG Discussion Board (WIX) under his alias 'Jungle Bob' or writing letters to PNG Museum with allegations about others. This BETTY was flight-tested as Foreign Equipment Test number T2-2205. I RECENTLY COMPLETED A SURVEY FOR THE PNG MUSEUMS BOARD OF TRUSTEES ON A PARTICULAR AIRCRAFT AND DID THE NUMBERS ON THE SALVAGE COSTS. C-121C Serial 54-0157 was 'relegation to storage at Davis Monthan Air Base'. One highly regarded Japanese book about Bettys in combat is titled Wings of Flame. Almost certainly it will eventually be fully restored and placed on display. MUCH OF THE STUFF PRINTED IN MAGAZINES, WARBIRD OWNERS LISTS ETC ARE CREATED BY ENTHUSIASTS WHO ARE SCRAMBLING FOR MATERIAL AND WHAT THEY DONT KNOW THEY MAKE UP AND WHAT THEY DO KNOW THEY GENERALLY GET WRONG. Speak about your work with established museums Historical Aircraft Restoration Society (HARS), PACIFIC AIRCRAFT WRECKS AND WHERE TO FIND THEM. Unknown to the crew of the Abele, the G4Ms carried the new single-seat, piloted flying bombs in their open bomb bays. This aircraft shot down a "Zero" and a "Betty" bomber over New Guinea in 1943. All of a sudden my world changed and I decided that maybe it was just possible and one should start looking. As Yamamoto flew south 16 US P38 Lightnings were heading north from Honiara to intercept him. What projects are you involved and accountable with the PNG Museum? What challenges do wrecks salvaged from PNG present? This is there opinion and they are entitled to argue it. IF YOU ARE LIVING IN A INTERNET COCOON YOU ARE NOT GOING HEAR MUCH ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON SO YES IT IS PRICELESS BUT AS FAR AS ITS ALLEDGED HIGH VALUE I WOULDNT KNOW. The Aboriginal elders at Kalambaru were so impressed with our passion and our sense of history that they gave us the aircraft. Why is little about PACIFIC WRECK DATABASE IS AN EXCELLENT PLACE TO START LOOKING FOR WRECKS AND I WOULD RECOMMEND IT TO ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO ENGAGE IN THE ACTIVITY OF SAVING HISTORY. After some practice runs the B-25 became the aircraft of choice, and the rest is history Harold Mac McDowell: B-25J Bettys Dream Radio/Gunner, 345th Bomb Group Association reunion, November 8-12, 2012. The tail gun was a 20mm cannon, though a relatively ineffective one. In the system of codes of allies, this aircraft had the designation "Betty".. ON MY FIRST VISIT TO POPPONDETTA I WAS APPROACHED BY THE LANDOWNERS WHO DID NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES TO MOVE IT AND WERE FEARFULL OF THE AIRCRAFT BEING SCRAPPED. The Ohka was carried to the target under a G4M "Betty" bomber. THE B-25 STILL THERE REMAINS UNDER THREAT. For the Betty, however, it was all downhill from there. How relics are owned by the state, but also how local compensation and tourism supersede removal, CLARIFICATION THE RESTORATIONS ARE BEING CONDUCTED ON A FREE OF CHARGE BASIS WITH COMPLETION DATES. The end had arrived for the Japanese and the BETTY bomber. How much of salvaged aircraft can actually be used? Few would know it by its official designation, the Navy Type 1 Attack Bomber. The RAAF could have landed a Hercules on the airstrip where they sat and flown them out. Mitsubishi said the bomber would need four engines to accomplish that, but the IJNAS insisted on a twin-engine configuration. The F6F Hellcat gave the U.S. Navy the edge it needed to beat the Japanese. . A member of the three-man intelligence team that picked the names thus immortalized a one-night stand. Yamamoto was a smart guy, even though he only got a C+ for his two years of English studies at Harvard from 1919 to 1921. What is wreckage used for when exported? Here's some of the fascinating stories he shared. It's a good day when Dick Cole stops by for a visit, and at Winds Over Houston, Dick came by to say hi and even did a short little interview for us. Initial results were impressive, but the Navy shelved the bomber for a time in favor of a variant to be called the G6M1. The Japanese thought that was unfair, and Yamamotos desire to build a fleet of very-long-range torpedo bombersno aircraft carriers neededwas in part a way to circumvent the Washington treaty: If we cant build floating warships, lets build flying warships. The importance of this piece as an artifact from the Commonwealth Air Training Scheme did not go unnoticed and eventually the Australian War Memorial approached me with a view to acquiring it. THE MEMORY OF OUR FATHERS IS NOT SERVED WELL BY A PILE OF CUT SCRAP THAT HAS BEEN DRAGGED IN FROM THE BUSH AND SMELTED IN THE LOCAL SCRAPYARD. They did nothing. National Interest Newsletter. In the tail, he introduced a 20 mm cannon. Is there anything left in PNG still worth salvaging? Firstly the preservation of the memory of those involved in its manufacture and operation. Whether they produced battlefield images of the dead or daguerreotype portraits of common soldiers, []. The two rearmost and outermost Nells were, no surprise, found to suffer the highest casualties from opposing fighters. Since the model is optimized for 1/900th scale, it is not ideal to print larger versions due to a lack of detail. It has become trendy for the younger generation to promote dissent within the International preservation movement and argue that wrecks should be left where they are. I SPEND A LOT OF MY OWN MONEY ON PRESERVING HISTORY. G4M "Betty" livery for the Ju-88. We are now sought out by governments and institutions, nationally and internationally, for our expertise in the restoration and operation of vintage aircraft. The aircraft is regularly flown to airshows throughout North America. Clear front, dorsal and rear turret canopies. THIS I CONSIDER ALARMING AND A THREAT TO HERITAGE AND TOURISM. To re-balance the bomber, dihedral was added to the horizontal stabilizer. Many items from the PNG museum's collection were removed in late 2000-1 by yourself and '75 Squadron' CERTAINLY GIVEN THE HIGH COST OF RECOVERY IN PNG AND I FAIL TO SEE HOW ANYONE CAN MAKE A PROFIT. The F-82B on display, Betty-Jo, flew from Hawaii to New York on Feb. 27-28, 1947, a distance of 5,051 miles, the longest non-stop flight ever made by a propeller-driven fighter. SO YOU MISSED ALL THE MAGAZINES AND ARTICLES COVERING ALL THE WRECK RECOVERYS ETC. Pappy Gunn, an engineer in Australia, removed the bombardier-navigator from his greenhouse compartment in the nose of a B-25 and found he could install eight forward-firing .50-caliber machine guns in the aircraft. What do you feel should be done with remaining relics of war? What do you say to those worldwide who would like to visit this wreck, and see it remain there the way the war left it? It was brought to the United States aboard a U. S. Navy aircraft carrier along with 145 other Japanese aircraft selected for test and evaluation. Although the G4M now had a more potent sting, Honjo again sacrificed crew protection to the Navy's demands for great range. I HAVE BEEN CREDITED ERRONOUSLY FOR DOING A LOT OF THINGS I DIDNT DO. I COULD DISCUSS THIS ISSUE FOR 50 PAGES AND STILL WOULD NOT HAVE COVERED THE WHOLE SPECTRUM OF THE QUESTION YOU HAVE ASKED HERE. The end result was Yamamoto's Betty crashing into the jungle just west of Buin, killing all . PLANS ARE A FOOT AND THEY WILL BECOME PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE SOON ENOUGH [in late April, early May 2006 B-17E 41-2446 aka 'Swamp Ghost' was salvaged. Like the Mitsubishi Zero Fighter (also in the NASM collection), the Hamaki soldiered on long after it became obsolete, even dangerous, to fly wherever Allied interceptors prowled. Many websites are hungry for content and if you dont feed them, they run off to secondary sources for there information. The Japanese built more of them than any other bomber during World War II. Not a single Betty survives as anything more than a battered, partial hulka situation unique among warbirds built in such numbers and active in so much combat. CLARIFICATION I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE COMPLETION OF MANY MUSEUM PROJECTS AND UNDERTAKEN THE RECOVERY OF AIRCRAFT FROM MANY PARTS OF THE WORLD INCLUDING RUSSIA. He omitted armor plate. The G4M was a Japanese high-speed bomber-torpedo carrier. Two major portions survive: the nose including the entire flight deck, and ten feet of the fuselage. Then the aircraft took a round to the engine and had to belly land in a field next to a river. Charles E. Pop Rice, Jr. who became Operations Officer of the 499th Squadron and was assigned to Bettys Dream in June of 1945. The first Betty/Ohka strike, toward U.S. aircraft carriers off Kyushu in March 1945, consisted of 18 Bettys escorted by 30 Zeros. It carried a huge explosive charge, and bore large wooden tailfins that stabilized it in flight and broke away when the torpedo entered the water. ONCE AGAIN THESE ARE ISSUES FOR GOVERNMENT TO DECIDE It carried one 20mm cannon and four 7.7mm machine guns. The Nell was the scourge of China, ranging far and wide during the Sino-Japanese war that preceded WWII. AS PER PREVIOUS QUESTION, I WOULD SUGGEST YOUR READERSHIP SEEK OUT MORE SPECIFIC PUBLICATIONS WHERE THESES SORTS OF QUESTIONS ARE DEALT WITH IN DETAIL. The U.S. Army Air Forces would later try the same thing with its YB-40s, which were B-17s carrying 18 or even more .50-caliber guns, flying as formation escorts. TO ANSWER THE FIRST PART OF THIS QUESTION REQUIRES A VERY LONG AND DETAILED ANSWER AND ONE MORE SUITED TO A MORE SPECIFIC FORUM. The DC-4E design proved to be so bad that the company started over again, producing the successful DC-4 airliner. Since 2000, Pacific Wrecks has emailed Greinert questions and clarification related to all wrecks he is involved with. Betty La Bomba is a Damage Champion in Paladins, added on March 23rd, 2022. War relics with remains aboard are consider 'war graves' by the United States, Japan and Australia a very different classification all three countries make efforts to recover remains only from these sites, Beaufighter A19-144 In 2011 it was operated by Fighter Hangar 1, now known as the Texas Flying Legends Museum. I LOVE THE PLACE AND THE PEOPLE. I AM PASSIONATE ABOUT AVAIATION HISTORY AND ITS PRESERVATION. If these wrecks are indeed worthless, why are they being salvaged? So, here is how I order at Betty Bombers,,. He beat his affluent opponents like borrowed mules, then used his considerable winnings to finance a summer of travel around the United States, learning as much as he could about the overconfident gunslinger he would outdraw at Pearl Harbor two decades later. (AAF) The two Betty bombers made their way to Ie Shima along a route clearly delineated in a Japanese message to the Allied Command. The coleslaw was great!! YOU NEED TO TALK TO THE MUSEUM AND OR '75 SQUADRON'. I WOULD REFER YOUR READERS TO Classic Wings Magazine WHICH HAS JUST DONE A EXCELLENT COVERAGE ON THE TRAILS AND TRIBULATIONS OF RESTORING A P-47. Hand held and operating through a 20-degree arc, it required a pursuing fighter to voluntarily position itself within the cannons tiny field of fire, though this limitation was removed in later versions of the Betty. from Papua Same engines, same twin-engine configuration, same size, give it some gunsjust make it a lot faster and longer-legged.. As the war dragged on, improved bombers failed to materialize so Mitsubishi fielded different versions of the G4M to fulfill new missions, and to eliminate the various weaknesses in the basic design. Anti-aircraft guns decimated them. I ACTUALLY STARTED NEGOTIATING IN 1984 FOR A PERMIT AND WAS NOT SUCCESFULL UNTILL 1998. Buy It Now +$23.00 shipping. If that doesn't work then go into gmod and redownload the mod. ONCE LOCATED WE DO THE RESEARCH TO DETERMINE THE STORY AND MAKE SURE THERE ARE NO MIA ISSUES INVOLVED. Its official designation is Mitsubishi Navy Type 1 attack bomber (, Ichishiki rikuj kgeki ki, Isshikirikuk) and was commonly referred to by Japanese Navy pilots as Hamaki (, "cigar", lit. The D3A was the primary dive-bomber for the Imperial Japanese Navy during World War II. What are your feelings about the 'Swamp Ghost'? So the Imperial Japanese Navy Air Service laid down the parameters of what would become the Betty by basically saying, Build a better Nell. With sale prices of restored warbirds so high, and even projects expensive, what is the 'value' of wrecked aircraft? Storied triple ace Bud Anderson, 100, explains how the P-51 Mustang saved the world., History is a guide to navigation in perilous times. WHAT DO I GET OUT OF IT. I KNOW OF NO OTHER EXPERTS GIVING EXPERT OPINION. The model has been enlarged along the z axis to allow for better . The bomber crew (little Arthur Askey & co) try to avoid betrothal, while convincing the girls to update their traditions. IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE SPECFIC PROJECT AND ITS NEEDS. You have salvaged the best P-40, P-47 and P-38. Yamamoto's Betty descended towards Balalae - where I flew in last week - right on schedule and the US aircraft arrived with equally meticulous timing. A LOT OF PEOPLE, VETERANS, ENTHUSIASTS, MUSEUMS ETC COME TO US AND ASK US TO HELP. Both aircraft had unprecedented range but they were also extremely vulnerable to the machine gun and cannon fire from Allied fighter aircraft. The city has contributed $850,000, with the restoration group, made up mostly of volunteers, fundraising $750,000. Japanese "Betty" bomber near Darwin. I developed a longing to own a WWII fighter to fly but never imagined it possible. Another BETTY variant became mother ship to the Kugisho Ohka kamikaze, or Tokko (special attack) aircraft (see NASM collection). It was codenamed Betty by the Allies. A LOT OF THE WORK WE DO IS DETAILED IN THE CURRENT P-47 ARTICLE FEATURED IN Classic Wings Magazine. From the first day of war until after the surrender, BETTY bombers saw service throughout the Pacific and Indian Oceans. THERE IS AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF WORK GOING ON IN ANY RESTORATION INVOLVING A HUGE CREW OF PEOPLE. A simple video to say thanks to all the men and women who have flown the B-25, Sit down with Warren Pietsch as he takes us through the history of our B-25J Mitchel bomber, "Betty's Dream.". He took over work on the Betty after returning from a fact-finding trip to the U.S. in 1938. It featured a crew of two (pilot, gunner) and . More than 100 Bettys were lost over Guadalcanal. APART FROM THE P47 PARTS ACQUIRED FOR OUR P47 PROJECT, WE WERE GIVEN THE TAIL OF [P-39F 41-38351] BY THE MUSEUM FOR OUR INHOUSE P-39 PROJECT. The capacity dropped because of the material inserted in the tank to block leaking fuel when gunfire perforated the tank. The first production G4M rolled off the line in April 1941. Robert Greinert interview with Pacific Wrecks One bomber broke away and he pursued it. Secondly, the memory of the purpose for which that object was created, whether it is for peaceful or war purposes. One Betty on a bomb run against Lexington had an engine shot entirely off its mounts, by Lieutenant Butch OHare of ORD fame, and then did its best to crash into the carrier. all regions of the Pacific. It was the first gun ever fired from an airplane, a Wright Model B Flyer, in 1912. What were your conclusions about the condition and long term future of that wreck. removed from Girua Airport IS IT REALLY THE GREATEST WW2 WRECK LEFT? Late in World War II, the Dai-ichi Kaigun Koku Gijitsusho (1st Naval Air Technical Arsenal) at Yokosuka, Japan, designed the MXY7-K1 to teach less experienced pilots to fly the Model 11 "Ohka" (Cherry Blossom) kamikaze suicide rocket bomb. So why not fill those positions with dedicated gunships? When salvaged, they are not always for historical value, often as 'parts' for larger restorations to be bought, sold & traded and only used as patterns or to copy. The 345th Bomb Group Association reunion, November 8-12, 2012, commemorated the 70th anniversary of the group's activation at Columbia Army Air Base on November 11, 1942. The recovery of the Beaufighters caused a national stir. Bendix Aviation Corp out of Teterboro, NJ bought the B-25 in June of 1946 and used it as a test bed for the next twenty years. Amid it all came one of the Bettys most notorious flights: the mission to carry Admiral Yamamoto on an inspection tour of the Solomon Islands in April 1943. 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